Anger & Metallica - John Van Sloten

May 09, 2004

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Pastor John on Metallica
"we're raging against who we really are as human beings, what do we do with that? Keep raging?"

Pastor John takes a look (and listen) to metal music. Part 4 of the "music" series, what is the metal music culture and how has it evolved. How does metal music relate to God, the Bible and Christians

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July 12, 2014
I wanna go to this church!
RockinM3TalF4nGirl (via YouTube)
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September 12, 2012
Wow
jeffsouthworth
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September 03, 2012
The best dissection of Metallica I have ever heard.
tomrose500
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April 29, 2012
I can't believe this rubbish Van Sloten is propagating.If Metallica band members have the problems he's yapping about, them van Slouton should rcognize that the angry music they play comes from hurt and possiblly demonized persons. Thru their music, they are infusing their hatred and hurt subtily in all who choose to listen to them. Secondly, in listening to this prevaricator of new age and God loves everyone and everthing rubbish, he needs to stop thinking about what metallica is saying and look at what they are doing to resolve thier inner conficts. As a Christian, I am sick to death of desperate preachers like this who are willing to take risks with the faith of other believers, and openly choose some controversial subject to try and raise profile of funds. All van slouten has done is give kids implicit approval that all is good,should be lostened to; and that Christians should feel free to let all forms of music and philosphhy into their lives have we become so desparate that we need to try and fine some obsure truth form some athiest.

Lets see.. how about Axl Rose his dad was a Pentecostal Pastor or Marilym Manson his name represents a unique way to send people on to God! I could name 20 others, and they all have some spiritul truth that is buried in their words and music. Why not raise their profile with the church group? In this day and age when the church is dying, it makes no sense to offer the wisdom of emotionally challenged men, and disregard the words of God.

If you are going Van Slouton's church you better get out.becuse the next stupid thing he might do is invite metallica to come and preach an uplifting message at NEW Hoplessness!

irratated1
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August 01, 2011
is this video supposed to bash metallica? or what? if he is bashing metallica, wait till he hears the black albums "The God that Failed"
7blueblood
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May 26, 2011
@Constantdoodle - I understand your point. However, where do we draw the line? Does Jesus speak through pornography? Can I find Christ in the Saw series of films? I am a pastor entrusted with the care of God's flock, do I encourage my flock to go pick up the latest Slipknot CD and find Jesus' message in it? We have to be very careful.
nicadaemus
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May 25, 2011
@nicadaemus but if you say that god doesnt speak through bands like metallica then arent you kind of limiting God.... Even satan does gods will.

Constantdoodle
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April 02, 2011
Before Jesus saved me I loved Metallica. I was a very angry man and found a connection in their music. I don't think liking Metallica sends you to hell. For me their music is so connected to my old life I cannot reconcile it with Christ. Parts of our old life have to be left behind. While this message is compelling I do not remotely believe God speaks through bands like Metallica. While I appreciate Pastor Van Sloten trying to connect with unchurched I'm not sure this is the best route.
nicadaemus
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February 14, 2011
this is amazing

opensinner777666
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February 08, 2011
First I am a Christian and a Metallica fan. I have always seen music communicating God. It mirrors the author regardless if the people playing it are aware or not. I know many will disagree, that's cool I don't need folks to agree. Second you guys jam the lead singer does not look like a rocker but does a helluva job. The drummer, Lars would be proud I'd expect. Awesome job folks. Next Up Black Sabbath and the song "After Forever" check out the lyrics and "Lord of This World". Keep Rockin The Free World!
Terry Smith


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December 31, 2010
Metallica has used the bible more than once to indict itself. "The Four Horsemen", "Creeping Death" and "The Judas Kiss" most prominently.
JPhinfan86
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December 24, 2010
we should have metallica in my church
cjperkins1
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November 26, 2010
I just saw the video where you preach talking about Metallica " The day Metallica came to church " and that was amazing, you totally spoke my mind there.. and Ive seen Metallica live 6 times and know all their lyrics. The lyrics are just perfect.
1642poltergeist
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November 14, 2010
i would never try to push any of my ideas and thoughts onto anybody else but i would like to say that if more people would open there eyes and ears and close there mouths they just might experience greatness in ALL things. I have yet to read the book (except for the online chapter, but i have watched the videos and i must say that it is truely refreshing! i for one was done with the dogmatic religions long ago!
tchrist2


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November 02, 2010
Dude, St. Anger is not about god being mad and them agreeing..its about how they went through drugs and bad sh** like that and now they're venting. Most of their songs are not good...they're about death like most metal...blackened is the end of the world..fight fire with fire is nuclear warfare...and how is this connecting to god??
MrBobbyjoe5
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September 27, 2010
is this guy so clueless about his bible that he can't recognize that "creeping death" is about the angel of death right out of the bible?
this guy needs to study his book some more before "guiding" his followers.

machine1376
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September 19, 2010
Everything is good until jesusfreaks come by...
I get what he's saying, but my question is, why do you talk about metallica in a service?

eddgomezHaHa
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August 30, 2010
How can anyone watch only two minutes of this? I had to watch it all! Just last night I went to see Blue Oyster Cult and Lynyrd Skynyrd, of course, the fanatics were there preaching the evils of rock music! I salute you for finding the good where others have closed their ears assuming it evil! Not only have I saved this to my faves but i posted it to my Facebook! I can't wait to read the book!
jmwolfe420
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August 30, 2010
it is the anger of men your god is supposedly above emotion i find myself though a person against religion believing a good man but religious people are the cause of this it seems most of humanity uses religion as either an actless crutch or a captivating weapon against our fellow man i don't need an ethereal being to love my fellow humans but humans are the reasons for hate we can justify mass homocide but can't accept a man due to color religion or sexual preference MAN is good or evil

realitysimulator
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August 25, 2010
some of you didnt watch the full clip... watch it all before you cast a judgement...
hey, i heard the monies go to charity...not the author

crazyfunhappy
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August 24, 2010
WOW! Would love to have seen the bands reaction to the sermon as it unfolded!

cavedweller33
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August 24, 2010
Not sure it's the best thing in the world to preach to everyone on YouTube about an angry, vengeful God at the very beginning of the sermon without balancing His love and mercy and grace.... but I will read the book with an open mind and I think as long as preachers stay sound in their Scripture and the Spirit, it takes all kinds!
kaiyoko
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August 24, 2010
Not sure it's the best thing in the world to preach to everyone on YouTube about an angry, vengeful God at the very beginning of the sermon without balancing His love and mercy and grace.... but I will read the book with an open mind and I think as long as preachers stay sound in their Scripture and the Spirit, it takes all kinds!
kaiyoko
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August 23, 2010
definetly a cool story, thanks for following the lead of the Holy Spirit!
FistFullofCurious
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August 22, 2010
I am both a Christian and a Metallica fan, a fact some of my Christian friends don't understand. I'm thankful that someone else can see beyond the heavy metal persona, that the band is not "evil".
metallicamommy
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August 22, 2010
This is really interesting and i actually used to like Metallica, it's one of my son's favorite bands because I made him listen to it 'inutero'. This v ideo on UTube definitely puts a very different and interesting view to not only Metallica but many heavy metal bands. I might have to rethink a few things but will first read the book with an open mind.
lmi1026
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August 22, 2010
Every lyric of every song? Dang!
hokazeraimizutsuchi
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August 21, 2010
This seems like a pretty cool concept... Never heard of a church preaching on a metal band lol

cyberslackingfool
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August 20, 2010
what an idea what is church for aren't we suppose to spread the word

chopscrafton
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August 20, 2010
The intensity for Metallica should be less than the intensity for Christ
billybob220220
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August 20, 2010
This is making me reconsider my perspective on how the church relates to culture.

kennyparnell
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August 20, 2010
metalica is way cool, I used to rewrite lyrics to music, to actually fit my life. But I always wanted to make a compulation of their riffs and guitar solos.

I don't want to proculate rightious anger, but Anger is a defence mechanism that is used to get peoples attention. Be angery, but do not sin. So many people think Christianity is some childish sundayschool preaching sermon. We are to turn the other cheack, but that is for authorety over you

PlatoSaysGod
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August 20, 2010
Cool sermon! Wish more people had that much intensity for God!

pinkgia
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August 20, 2010
at first I thought Ok here we go again another goodie too shoes telling me that bands like metallica and ac/dc and kiss (old kiss not new, new kiss sucks! ace frehley for life!!!! anywho back to my comment)
and all the bands I love are satanic and I need to stop listening to those brain washing devil worshiping people
But what I heard today makes me want to read The book
I will comment on it after I read it to see if what I said earlyer is what the books about!

axlroseacefrehley14
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August 17, 2010
Now this would have been a cool sermon to be at. Metallica rule! But gotta remember without God there would be no you no me or Metallica. This pastor has good taste in music.
Xmetalearth
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August 16, 2010
Seems like Metallica want to change this world and are pissed about the crap that satan brings.

notsorandomvids
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August 15, 2010
this guy is talking about how a METALLICA concert is just like a chuch, ppl go into the building, the ppl on stage preach their Prayers/Songs and everyone who shows is drawn together to worship a god, let it be god of the catholic or christian faith, or even METALLICA THEMSELVES!!! . . . . personally in this whole clip i love how metallicas lyrics are compared to the bible and have similar meanings. F**king Awesome!

xRENEGADExXxNINJAx
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August 15, 2010
metallica arent the only band who sing about injustice , or crying out to god or about old and new testament . audio slaves first album is agood example . but people still shake there fist at god and reject the worlds only saviour yeshua (jesus) . unless the songs lyrics point people in the direction of the answer , the song fails . metallica dont sing praises to the creator or give god the glory he deserves , so a metallica concert is no more a church service than a football game. thinkabout it

rev6litre
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August 15, 2010
Why not listen to whatever you want? You can listen to someone else's feelings of fact or fiction to be told an interesting story. Humans have had communication since the dawn of their existance. It is fact that the oldest known "song" is a about 4000 years old, which is even older than the "story" of Christianity. Music is amazing, notes and rhythms are captivating. I won't let a religion dictate what I listen to and stop me from experiencing something new or feeling a beautiful harmony.

drathok
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August 15, 2010
Angel of death? mixed up with slayer maybe? I think god is rather fond of them as well :)

maff77
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August 14, 2010
people can't understand tht using metallica's lyrics shows that God and Metallica may think the same way. It doesn't matter if Hetfield or I don't know who don't believe in God, God's words may be inside their lirycs. It doesn't matter if you wish or not all of us have the some "God thinking" inside us, God's about love and we're all humans so we love, if you don't go back to your planet.
vaiderick
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August 14, 2010
WOW...that was one of the greatest sermons i've ever heard...i'm an orthodox and i really love metal music...all my life i've been listening to dogmatic people who 've been claiming that metallica are against god and they worship the evil without even trying listening to any of their songs...nor a single note. ..however i'm not the one to judge them but i'm really glad there's one pastor out there who really got the meaning and can transmit it to others
Congratulations, greetings from Greece

SteveHarrisLagoudaki
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August 14, 2010
Kind of failing logic there, since god doesn't exist and he's a fairytale creation of the ancient civilizations.

ToaJoe
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August 14, 2010
Oh god I wish they'd do this at my church! but that will never happen, cuz almost everyone in this damn town is like 65 or older. T_T well....a man can dream

Crazymofoinamajikbox
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August 14, 2010
I cannot believe how childish and naiive these religious types are. 'Is it OK to listen to Metallica, because I'm a Christian?'
What a joke. Your god is sure all-loving, because he will torture you with fire for eternity if you listen to a certain type of music. I spit on your dictator god.

ToaJoe
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August 13, 2010
Any other heavy metal bands you would recommend that have god's message in their lyrics?mustard2155

@mustard2155
check out in flames. there ALOT heavier than metallica but lyrically there very positive. also check out avenged sevenfold, stone sour and possibly some slipknot.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TenaciousKnee


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August 13, 2010
Metallica - Creeping Death
The lyrics from Creeping Death

"Die by my hand
I creep across the land
Killing first-born man
Die by my hand
I creep across the land
Killing first-born man"

Is actually about the 10 plagues of Egypt from Exodus (In particular the first born son killing one (I think that's the tenth))

Also Check out The Four Horsemen by Metallica (Based on Revelations)

Keep doing what you're doing

sgtwhiplash
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August 13, 2010
"Metallica is my religion" just got a new meaning =D

2shae1980
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August 13, 2010
Wow I live in Calgary and I never knew about this. This is awesome aha I wanna go to one of these sermons someday soon.

Vinzafy
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August 13, 2010
Some pastor. Completely ignore the anti-religious lyrics, huh? Typical religious man.

HolyDeth
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August 13, 2010
And what about the Some Kind Of Monster verse... : "This is God ain't so pure, This is the God that is not pure" ...? Plus Hetfield has written stuff somewhat against God... But I guess that's just to free interpretation...lol

Itube2304
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August 12, 2010
So true... Sad that most of the preist still thinks that Metallica's evil.
I would love to read that book...

BizonSnake
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August 12, 2010
Excellent. God reaches out to us who are so lost without Him in all the ways we can relate to - music of every type is communication. Thanks for sharing an awesome message- and thanks to an awesome God who cares enough to love us first just as we are!

marshmemories
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August 11, 2010
Send me money, send me green
Heaven you will meet
"Buy my new book"
and you'll get a better seat!!!

Another lepper messiah...

piconchetumadre
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August 08, 2010
This is so awesome....to create an idea or message out of a heavy metal band
DeconTheMonkey
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August 06, 2010
WOW! good stuff. so true. I really enjoyed this sermon - goes along with the first chapter of the book.

ThePyromomma
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August 06, 2010
WOW! good stuff, so true! Really has me fired up for a youth lesson.

ThePyromomma
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August 06, 2010
Awesome!!! Fantastic video, looking forward to the book! Couldn't agree more that ALL TRUTH IS GODS TRUTH
mowriter
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August 06, 2010
Good stuff! As someone who has used "The Incredibles" and even Spongebob as part of his sermons, it is great to hear another pastor say that truth is in all kinds of places. Blessings on you, I hope the book does great!

omygodc
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August 06, 2010
Good stuff!!!! A lot of people should listen to this message!

Marcotribalwarrior
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August 06, 2010
Sweet!!! It's so true! Just imagine how people will connect with God through metal...it's possible!!!

dojoboy226
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August 05, 2010
i thought this was a great sermon that, i really liked the connection you made! Can't wait to read the book!

LPFAN1919
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August 04, 2010
Cannot WAIT for this book! Some of my best devotional time came from music and it wasn't all Christian! Great sermon!

inleftfld
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August 04, 2010
Can't wait for the book!!!

satrntgr
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August 04, 2010
Awesome video! Looks like it's going to be great!

slumbersix
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August 04, 2010
Wow....very inspiring.

mmherk
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August 04, 2010
A very interesting idea for sermon series.

travisfclarke
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August 04, 2010
This is neat, can't wait to read the book... it certainly is intriguing!!!

heyjadehey
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August 04, 2010
This is what becoming reconciled to a hurting world with a relevant practical Christianity is all about!

twinmomknitter
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August 04, 2010
It is so ironic. I wrote about this same thing in early 2009, except not Metallica, but American Football and the Arizona Cardinals: bible09.com - If Only Church Could Be Like This

So I am definitely looking forward to the book. Good luck and and God Bless to all involved. Can't wait to get my hands on it!

dabuzzmedia
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August 04, 2010
Everybody is probably going to worship something or someone. Often, it's not Jesus, but it is, undoubtedly, worship.

hamptonsims
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August 04, 2010
I'm really interested in reading this.

tghali
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August 04, 2010
I cannot wait to read the book!

zazybuddy
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August 04, 2010
Been to several metallica concerts myself. Looking forward to reading the book.

mrolandclk
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August 04, 2010
The story behind this is amazing. Cannot wait to read the whole book!!

Goofy4Mickeytd
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August 04, 2010
Really enjoyed hearing this sermon, and reading the first chapter of the book it inspired!!
MommaJune63
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August 04, 2010
For the longest time now, I've hidden my love of heavy metal music. Even though I have found most of it inspirational, I had trouble explaining that to other Christians. Now this lets me know that I don't have to hide anymore, and it can help me explain myself. Can't wait to read the book!

spiorad7
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August 04, 2010
The Day Metallica came to church:
This is a profound connection between the lyrics of Metallica and the anger of God. I understand that this sermon gave rise to a new book by the same title that is being published this month.

MarilynBr
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August 04, 2010
I have to say that this was an awesome sermon...and I am most definately wanting to read the book!

dragonwing84
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August 04, 2010
This looks awesome. I can not wait for the book to come out. I always loved Metallica.
novalovesmel
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August 04, 2010
I just read a sample of the book and I was very intrigued so I had to watch the Sermon!! Awesome Insight, God is good!

cryspg821
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August 04, 2010
this is a great sermon. i can't wait to read the book. it'll be interesting to see how he ties Christianity into Metallica and other heavy metal bands. I've always wondered that myself.

hwkoff2004
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August 04, 2010
Incredible sermon! Wow! Looking forward to reading the book. My eyes were opened to using secular music in sermons to connect with students much have you have done with this. Thank you.

bsktlvr97
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August 04, 2010
This sermon is great...I cannot wait to forward to my pastors.

66batchy
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August 04, 2010
Great sermon; Can't wait to read the book. Pastor Van Sloten talks about how God speaks truth to us through different ways and medias.

mxwx51
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August 04, 2010
This sermon is fantastic! I love who you link Metallica's anger with God's anger! Very inspiring! I never thought of it this way!

ghostpsalm111
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July 22, 2010
Awesome! the sermon is great, can't wait for the book!

pdawwg08
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July 04, 2010
I'm intrigued. I really like that you're not automatically condemning them. I can't wait to read the book to get the whole thing.

theronin23
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March 29, 2010
Hi, my name is Jordan Pater and I have been prompted to contact you by my bible teacher. She knew I am an avid listener of Metallica's music and asked me to reflect on Pastor Van Sloten's sermon from a few years back. I proceeded to listen to the sermon and afterwards I came up with an example of my own. Here is the parallel.

Nehemiah 9:19 (I can't write the whole thing since it's from my iPod).

It's very similar to this line: "the window burns to light the way back home, a light that burns, no matter where they've gone"
You said that Metallica's lyrics lack hope, but I think this is but a glimpse of a more hopeful side of them.
Jordan


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January 04, 2010
Can't wait for the book!

emocolossal636
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October 01, 2009
so as a christian myslef, is it ok to listen to some of metallica's music?

Oct. 3, 2009
Seeing your comment I guess the first thing I would ask is if you really like Metallica? The point of the message is to be able to hear and resonate with God's good truth in all that you do in your life. If you love Metallica and it helps you reveal that truth, well, then go for it!
Keith

Oct. 5, 2009
Fran616 has sent you a message:
Re: Listening to Metallica
Thanks for your reply. When i listnen to music, i dont go for the lyrics, i go for the instumentals. i love the band for their instrumentals. Yes im aware that the lyrics do talk about some powerfull stuff. But their abilty to compose great music is my favorite part of Metallica. And now i see what you were trying to get through in your message. Thanks, and God bless =)

Fran616
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August 16, 2009
the gospel according to metallica. never thought I'd see the day. maybe that's why they outlasted all the other thrash bands from the 80's that sung about satan and stuff

MrDeadphish
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July 27, 2009
why did he pick mel gibbson suddenly...there are more directors in the world....mel just good lucky with that film

happyassylum13
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May 20, 2009
metallica is the best band ever on earth. period.

golfomania7
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October 02, 2006
Musicians and artists are gems... the few folks that speak their mind and are
not afraid to feel, and then speak freely about it.
Alot can be learned from that type of honesty. Opinions, thoughts, feelings,
musings, all shared without rules or concern of what the next person might
think. Sure, there can be a lot of darkness in there (just like anywhere), but
as Bono (U2) said... "Don't believe the devil, i don't believe his book, but the
truth is not the same without the lies he made up..." ("God Part II) You
can't appreciate the true light if you don't dig into the honesty of humanity.
Kudos John, you seem to see God in the "strangest" places. I agree with Lars
about your sermon choice that sunday: "$^%#ing Amazing!!"
-t


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August 21, 2004
My name is Rachel Dyer, and I'm a junior theatre major at Wilkes University. I saw your website in an article in a magazine that I don't remember the name for - but the article was about Metallica, and the connection between them and old testament prophets. It caught my attention, so I went to website to read more on it, but couldn't find the link. Instead I found the link to your arts in the ministry section, and began reading that instead. I am constantly looking for ways to incorporate my faith into the arts - acting in particular, because its business is so warped and cutthroat, and not neccessarily one that accepts Christian veiws easily. I'd just like some more information on what you guys do there, and what your plans are for the future. Thanks so much for your time, and I look forward to hearing from you soon!

Rachel Dyer
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July 10, 2004
Listened to your sermon on Metallica. Good stuff! Your web site is awesome. thanks for putting everything out there for free.
Dwayne Conyers
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May 13, 2004
hi -
i'm an attorney and band manager in austin, texas and
was on the cmj.com messageboard this morning and
noticed a post from someone who had linked the sermon
by pastor john with a note that said "ever wondered
what a sermon based on metallica would sound like?". initially, i was pretty skeptical, but, gave the sermon
a listen.

i was raised with a "church of christ" father and a
"catholic" mother in southern louisiana, which is a
very catholic oriented part of the u.s. - ultimately, i
have found myself studying the bible and faith outside
of church and attending catholic services for prayer
and community (that said, because SoLa has such a heavy
catholic presence, some of our priests were able to
have more "alternative" catholic services by
incorporating things like a band called "the
zydecatholics" who performed more upbeat, zydeco rhythm
religious music at sunday evening services).
so, when i heard the sermon this morning i was moved to
write - i think it is important for pastors to know
when they are reaching people - even if those people
live thousands of miles away.

i really enjoyed the sermon (especially in my line of
work!) please pass along my "thanks" to pastor john
and if i ever get to calgary, i'll see you on sunday!

trevor
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May 09, 2004
John,

Thanks for your sermon on Metallica this morning. I've been in and out of the Church for 30 years, and have rarely been to such an honest and thought provoking Sunday morning.

Most pastors would have looked down their noses at something like Metallica. Or they might pretend to embrace it, using it as a gimmick to get people in the church doors, then spinning the band's message into some kind of pro-Christian dogma.

You didn't do those things, which was a breath of fresh air for me. Too often the Church tries to sanitize everything, but doesn't really deal with some core issues: life can suck, and humans get angry.

Sure, we admit it, and then finish off with a round of "Jesus loves me" or "light the fire again", to make sure the pews stay full next week. That kind of dishonesty has caused a lot of people (including myself) to develop a deep resentment towards the Church.

So again, thanks for this morning's sermon, and for your work at New Hope. It's quite encouraging.

James Dueck
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May 05, 2004
Hi,
Just read on Blabbermouth that you are doing a Sermon on Metallica, amazing. I am a massive Metallica fan and a Christian, would be cool to attend and hear the points raised, pity I live in Wales, UK.... Doh
Anyway hope it goes well

Andrew
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