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  • Coldplay - knowing God
    November 11, 2008
    i love God and coldplay. God alot more though
    Godwill3


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    Jesus, Lars and the Real Girl
    November 11, 2008
    i love this movie

    Godwill3


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    Coldplay - knowing God
    November 11, 2008
    you should check out "swallowed in the sea", "A message" he wrote it based on a hymm that he use to here at his dads church, and "God put a smile on your face"

    Godwill3


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    Power of Words
    November 11, 2008
    Hi there,
    As a bit of background, this has been a rough year for my marriage. After six years, suddenly it’s like our world has collapsed around us. My career has taken a nose dive, I injured myself at my part-time job, which was meant to generate more income than my lagging freelance writing/photography attempts, resulting in even more time away from work. As a freelancer it’s been tough not generating income while shelling out significant sums for healthcare. Did I mention I don't have insurance? This has compounded our difficulties, making it increasingly stressful to come face to face with the realization that we just aren’t in control. My pride has been stomped on. But, as a wise man once said, “I love her.” Just like him, I also love her.

    Despite the issues, my wife has stood by me. That doesn’t mean it’s been easy. We recently had another fight, as stressed out, broke, despairing people tend to do. During that scrap, I said that I’m just not sure that all this struggle is worth it. While puttering about in my garage a day and half later, I realized that what I said was hurtful rubbish. She’s worth it, she’s absolutely worth all the scrapping, misunderstanding and grief. She’s worth the awkwardness and the humility, she’s worth the struggle and our marriage is certainly worth fighting for. I made this sign, because she needed to hear those words.

    After nearly two days of awkward silence around my house these signs opened the communication lines like liquid plumber in a clogged drain, allowing us to connect deeply for the first time in a long time.

    Similarly, my best friend and his wife have been going through significant tribulation. They’ve been dealing with issues that I hope to never face. Through several teary eyed conversations I’ve come to realize the power of forgiveness and the need of humans to hear that someone is proud of them. My wife and I pulled some 007 work and planted this sign on their back fence. We managed to do it despite their 135 pound dog prowling the backyard. Who knows if it was what they needed to hear, it was worth the risk.

    Even before this assignment, a good friend and I began scheming to use art in an encouraging way. We both concluded that giving positive messages to those who need to hear them is not only good for them, it’s good for us as well - it’s therapy! We coined the term “theraffiti” to denote the process of producing art that impacts positively. Our guerilla projects have been life changing to me, and perhaps even to others as well. Just the idea of white bread, middle class, generally respectable people, skulking around at night to install random art is enough to make me giggle. The irony is delicious. Anyway, I’ll cut this off. I just wanted to say that I love this concept and it has brought this weary soul much pleasure, joy and healing - keep it up!
    Benjamin Bowler



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 11, 2008
    OK.
    Once last observation from me (JVS).

    When I got home on Sunday and talked with my wife Fran about the service, she said she really was moved by the message, but didn't hear the words of the song as the direct voice of the Spirit (as I had inferred in the sermon).

    At first I was a bit taken aback by her words. "How could those words not be, the whole message was premised on this assumption?" I asked. She responded by saying, "I heard the lyrics as being those of some past revolutionary... as opposed to the words of Christ." What she meant was that Christ's revolutionary vision and experience was far greater and more authoritative that the lyricists. The song lyrics reminded her of the greater revolutionary vision; the greatest. I sensed she had this kind of, "Yeah, but in Christ there's more" lens through which she looked/listened.

    I, of course agree with that, and yet still hold onto the idea of the Holy Spirit speaking truth, in part, through the song itself. (Which doesn't make the the whole song truth, but it does claim it's truthful components as Gods).

    Anyway, what hit me in processing this matter was the old idea of thesis and anti-thesis. Abraham Kuyper was an old Dutch theologian who first coined the dichotomy. Yes God speaks through common grace, authoring truth in the world, even through those outside of the faith, but right along side this reality is sin's evil presence distorting, limiting, polutting and muting that truth. Both thesis and anti-thesis present in the same reality... in the same song... at the same time.
    Need to process this a bit more.



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 09, 2008
    I have actually done our homework this week! WOW.
    Our family purchased the new Coldplay album a couple of weeks ago, which has given us some time to “marinade”.

    For me; I was see sawing between the poignant words in “Viva La Vida” and Victor Hugo’s “Les Miserables”, written of course about the French revolution.
    I love the description a critique gave Hugo, on his book:

    “a narrator who can best be described as God masquerading as a law-abiding bourgeois….”

    The book is one of my all time favourites. On each page the reader is faced with decisions which haunt, “Good vs. Bad” ~ “right vs. wrong”, “moral vs. immoral” and on and on.
    (Below a brief backdrop to the book.. borrowed from the net*)

    The title itself is a moral test…. Originally, a miserable was simply a pauper (misere means ‘destitution’ as well as ‘misfortune’). Since the Revolution, and especially since the advent of Napoleon III, a miserable had become a ‘dreg’, a sore on the shining face of the Second Empire. The new sense would dictate a translation like Scum of the Earth. Hugo’s sense would dictate The Wretched.

    In overlaying these two powerful means of communication; I sensed such polarity ~ and found parallel struggles.

    “It was the wicked and wild wind
    Blew down the doors to let me in.
    Shattered windows and the sound of drums
    People couldn't believe what I'd become
    Revolutionaries Wait
    For my head on a silver plate
    Just a puppet on a lonely string
    Oh who would ever want to be king?”

    The same struggle occurred daily for Jean Valjean. He eventually had means, money, friendships even a child.. yet he felt it wasn’t enough ~ he just wanted peace. He was desperate for contentment.

    “Does Jesus not toil for the same? He offers us Grace, peace, eternal life, yet more often than not ~ He is thrown to the proverbial curb. He still waits, loves and hopes.”
    D.




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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 07, 2008
    I hear you on this point.

    Makes me wonder what "God moving in redemption" sounds like. A lamenting heart - grieved at the brokeness of it all, crying over creation lost, wanting so much more for us - along with a joyful love driving the act of making it all new. Strings over top of tears. Bells ringing hope even as he encounters our suffering.
    JVS



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 07, 2008
    Great way of wording that. I love that point as well - the music/lyric combo. It
    is what I often find in music and what I love. Thanks for putting it down in
    such plain language!
    K



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    Lall Murder Tragedy - Good, Evil, and where was God?
    November 06, 2008
    I live in calgary and I remember when this happend, (its right by my friends house) and it was so bad that the police we even crying while trying to tell the news what happened. Please support domestic abuse aids. It helps when people have somewhere to go that is safe when they are involved in an abusive relationship.
    tinyfury69


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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 06, 2008
    OK, I just reread your words K... and again, they're very insightful. Not a lot to add except that I really resonate with the pentecostal feel of that 'wicked and wild wind.' As for the phrase, 'people couldn't believe what I'd become,' I imagine this kind of incredulous reaction happening in Christ's disciples, who knew him in a (sort of) limited way when he was incarnate among them, but then got re-introduced to this totally mind blowing Spirit reality at Pentecost. I can just see their awestruck faces!

    Reading your words I was reminded of what I said last Sunday re: God's truth coming to us through music as being like light hitting a prism and then heading off in all kinds of different directions in all sorts of unique colours. When first contemplating this weeks message I thought I'd re-interpret the song visually for the end of the sermon... but now I've changed my mind. Maybe I'll just play it... without any visuals... and let the Spirit do its wicked and wild work.
    JVS



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 06, 2008
    Sounds awesome. I love this idea of yours John. I love the prism idea too -
    and it really is amazing the way God created so many minds and imaginations.
    This is a great way to see a little part of that - having everyone just throw in a
    thought or two. Very cool.
    Kayleigh



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 06, 2008
    what i love about this song is the way the lamenting tone of the lyrics is juxtaposed against the hopeful, redemptive tone of the music itself. even though the words are despairing, the music moves you beyond that. read only the lyrics and it sounds like a voice of despair, listen only to the music and one would never guess the dark nature of the lyrics, but together...amazing!



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    ColdPlay - knowing God
    November 04, 2008
    Hi John - I struggled with whether I should send this email, but here I am - nervous and wondering who am I to question you. I think I missed something last Sunday and I was hoping you could help me out. I normally leave New Hope feeling inspired and renewed and very grateful that I "found" this Church. Unfortunately, I felt flat and confused after leaving last Sunday and I hope you can help me understand what your message was. I felt as though the focus was on Coldplay, and not on God. Maybe I'm not mature enough in my Christian walk to "get it"? I felt as though you were saying God is in everything; however, I don't understand how he's in a song written by a man who has said that he isn't sure about the existence of God, saying "I'm always trying to work out what 'He' or 'She' is," also saying "I don't know if it's Allah or Jesus or Mohammed or Zeus. But I'd go for Zeus."

    It also bothered me to hear from your emails (with Chelsea I believe) which, if I remember correctly, said something along the lines of "Oh - God and Coldplay - my 2 favorite things." I'm sure she doesn't really value them the same, but the statement bothered me. Can you explain? Not sure how I feel about this being "posted" as it's very personal to me - but I'll leave that up to you if you think it could help others. Thanks John - I really appreciate it.
    Peggy

    Nov. 5, 2008
    Hey Peggy,
    Thanks for sending the note. Always feel free to question me/us. J

    Reading it over, part of thinks this is way to big a question to answer within an email. But here’s a brief response.
    First off, the focus was on Coldplay AND on God. The two are not mutually exclusive in New Hope’s mind. God made the band; each member in his image (according to the book of Genesis). As musicians they reflect a bit of who God is, how he thinks, what he feels (whether they know it or not, or believe in him or not). When they speak/sing truth, they speak/sing God’s truth. When they produce beauty, it’s God’s beauty. When they positively influence a life, it’s God’s positive influence. Theologian John Calvin once wrote, “All truth is inspired by the Holy Spirit” Reading that excerpt (on Sunday) from Acts on the coming of the Spirit on ALL people reinforced that fact.

    So Sunday, the idea was that we would communicate something of the nature of God THROUGH Coldplay. This band is part of a world that belongs to God. Coldplay belongs to God. The hope and desire is that people see God in behind the artist, or the tune. This assumption is in-behind all we do when we engage culture in this way.

    We’ve been doing this (and explaining it) for years. I’ve learned that it takes a while for people to see or catch on to the idea. It’s a bit abstract but it’s also very powerful.

    As a Christian church we believe that Christ really did resurrect, and he did send his Spirit into the world, to be his presence, and that that Spirit blows where it wills, in the stories of the Bible and in the stories of today, both inside and outside of the church, through believers and non-believers.

    In a nutshell that’s why we do what we do. We believe that Jesus is still speaking parables, through the songs we hear, the films we watch, the science we study, the architecture we inhabit, the nature that surrounds us, the art we create, etc...

    Big vision. Big view of God. What do you think?
    John



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 04, 2008
    Hidden track!?! How did I miss hearing that?

    Just listened to it... very cool. One commenter at youtube said, "I love this so much. It makes your mind wonder about things unknown." I agree.
    Reading your thoughts RA I found myself resonating at several points.

    1. Where you speak of a, "person that has declined from fame and fortune to a vast emptiness and loneliness," I envision the kenosis of Christ (Jesus putting aside his god-ness in coming to humanity... willfully doing this... out of love lowering himself)

    2. Where you comment on revolution being a subset of change, I remember the words I scratched on a piece of paper yesterday in regard to the places where that change occurs; in those moments when we say to ourselves, 'I'm not taking this any more'; or when we undergo a conversion experience; or when a person repents (changes direction); when we revolt and rise up against the status quo; or when we do something as simple as 'realizing' or 'recognizing' or even 'seeing' for the first time.
    The spirit of revolution includes all of these things.

    3. "I know St. Peter won't call my name." Obviously this image connotes that pearly gates scene, but for me I also envision St. Peter's denial of Christ. "I don't know what you're talking about," he said, "I don't know the man... I don't know the man." Matthew 26:70ff

    One more comment... what about that other huge biblical connection in the lyrics, the one that ties into Matthew 28:18-20?
    JVS



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 04, 2008
    John - I love that. Jesus and Peter's denial. I NEVER thought of thinking of
    it that way, but it puts a whole new spin on it. That's what I adore about
    music - it means something different to everyone and only by sharing do we
    gain a deeper understanding. Okay here's a bit more than my two-bits:

    I will start by saying I first closed my eyes and imagined. Then I watched the
    video. So the first bit is what I saw, the next bit is about the video, and then
    I go off on some thoughts. It’s long.
    The whole song seems to be looking over a life lived.

    I see a man sweeping and looking about him with a light in his eyes –
    shining as he remembers how he used to be on top. I picture him lonely and
    watching, almost with longing, the people who are now in his place.

    He had power, and enjoyed his ability to control other people. I see the
    same man at a table in Vegas rolling the dice and brining in the big payouts
    and enjoying the defeat of his enemies. He laughed and had a wicked glint
    in his eyes. But even then he had a taste of the fleeting position he was in –
    “now the old king is dead, long live the king!”

    Next I see him sitting alone, possibly in a hotel room in that same Vegas
    casino just desolate and lost. He has discovered that though he could win
    approval on an earthly level, it doesn’t last. The “kingdom” he built crashed
    down because it stood “on pillars of sand”. He is weeping and wondering
    why this has happened to him.
    (This also brings to mind that story of the men building their houses on the
    rock or on the sand, but it brings it alive to me in a new way – in a very
    vibrant and feeling way)

    I see the man looking up and seeing some idea of a better way, hearing the
    call to live for God. Perhaps he remembers being taught as a boy the true
    way to a worthwhile life, but he can’t yet accept that. He feels that it is all
    wasted, that he won’t be included. He has gone too far and the world is too
    corrupt and lost. “There was never an honest word, that was when I ruled
    the world.” He has been to the top; he knows how fake it is, so he can’t
    believe in anything better.

    The next verse has me seeing this “wicked and wild wind” as the Holy Spirit –
    forceful and commanding in its entrance – just taking over the scene. An
    almost Pentecostal vision. If the man is still in his hotel the windows are
    smashed and he hears the great beating of the drums from on high
    convicting him. “People couldn’t believe what I’d become” I take two ways:
    one – the fact that someone so powerful in human terms could sink to the
    bottom or two – the fact that this man made a turn around in his life.

    Revolutionaries wait for my head on a silver plate – every time I hear this line
    I am reminded of John’s head being brought to the king. A way to silence
    those we do not want to hear.

    Just a puppet on a lonely string oh who would ever want to be king? – This
    makes me thing that the man may be looking back and seeing through the
    false idea of being on top being the best and realizing really you have no
    control, you are alone, you are used – like a puppet on a string. Who would
    want this, when there is so much better?

    The next chorus sounds to me as a calling. A calling to the man – he can
    hear the choirs, he can hear the bells, but somehow he is still unsure if he
    can claim it for his own – if he can really be called into glory. For some
    reason I can’t explain I know St. Peter won’t call my name – a place perhaps
    we’ve all been where we can not seem to believe that any love could save us.
    We just know we aren’t good enough.
    The string component really makes this song sound holy – angelic. It’s
    gorgeous and has a driving urgency to it. The whole song is urgent and full
    of soul. The strings alone, without the lyrics bring a bittersweet feeling and
    cause my soul to soar at times and at others fall with extreme sorrow.

    The whole section with the slow, melodic “oohs” makes me picture a church
    choir in a great cathedral, giving the whole song a new perspective. It is
    almost as if this whole song is really a song of worship about life itself. It
    has mystery and it is personal, but it is a truthful picture given up to God.

    The fact that it transitions seamlessly into Violet Hill makes me wonder. I
    can’t be sure, but to me these two songs are intertwined and related in a way
    that makes each song hold more meaning. “If you love me, won’t you let me
    know” is a plea we all have, and it seems to almost echo the cry of “I know
    St. Peter won’t call my name.”

    There is also a bit of reference to revolution in Violet Hill itself which fits in
    with the reference to revolution in Viva La Vida “Priests clutched onto bibles,
    hollowed out to fit their rifles and the cross was held aloft.”

    I think someone else here said that Viva La Vida meant, “live the life” – and
    on reflection as I said this song seems to be a remembrance of a life lived.
    But it is also a reflection on how to really live the life.

    Watching the video I noticed distinctly the colour of red. And it struck me
    that if this is about revolution that revolution normally involves blood. Red.
    The background uses images from the cover of the CD and each band
    member has an armband or some sort of form of red on them. The French
    Revolution certainly was bloody, and their armbands do have a sort of
    military feel to them, but I must confess that I see that reference to be more
    symbolical than really about the song (the beauty of the music is that others
    will see it in there clearly where I don’t.)

    But if you are asking about the Revolution of Christ in our lives it certainly
    was bloody, and that is what I think of when I see the video. Red. Blood.
    Pointing to change, to a better way. There was violence in the revolution of
    Christ, the shedding of blood and there is certainly violence in this song with
    the crashes of drums and the striking of bells. The lyrics talk of beating
    drums and broken glass and waiting for a head on a silver plate. Violence.
    Blood. Red. I find it fascinating.

    In the video I also see a change toward the middle – the wind picks up, the
    clouds swirl, and the Holy Spirit moves for a change. I can’t really describe it
    because it was more of a feeling – watching those clouds swirl it was like
    watching the winds of change. Revolution. That Christ can move in a life –
    the wild and wicked wind. Wicked here not meaning evil, but forceful,
    commanding.

    The beginning of the song starts with the opening of the flower, and at the
    end each band member is blown away into flower petals. I am not sure
    exactly what this is supposed to symbolize, but I did like it a lot. Flowers are
    a symbol of beauty, but also a way to mark the graves of those we love. Red
    flowers. Perhaps a beauty within the violence? The ending sequence is
    uplifting – it almost seems as if the band members are being whisked away to
    something better as they float away against the soothing melodies. Freedom
    is what I think. Freedom gained through the blood of another.

    This is long, I realize, and I could probably blab on and on because every
    time I listen or watch I hear/feel/realize something new. Which is the beauty
    of music – it meets us where we are and it opens the doors. Whatever this
    song was intended for, I think it is clear that it resonates something bigger to
    everyone – it is a top hit – and its not because it speaks of sex or money or
    having it all. It speaks of what truly matters in the end. It directs us towards
    a change, and it makes us think. That is really beautiful to me, the ability
    that this song has to make people think and evaluate their lives. It’s a call,
    gentle, probing, and yet as urgent as the throbbing strings pulsing and
    pushing the song along. Almost a whisper of the urgency of Revelations –
    the time is coming, the end is nearing – or of Christ who will return like a
    thief in the night. An urgent call to Revolution.

    Okay, before I go off on ANOTHER direction I’ll stop.
    Kayleigh S



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 04, 2008
    OK Kayleigh... aren't you just a holy imaginative soul!
    Great thoughts, and well articulated!

    Reading them I had many aha moments... I'm gonna wait for a day or so before responding though... let someone else talk first!
    JVS



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 04, 2008
    As a P.S. to my last note -

    It suddenly hit me, as I am still thinking of this, that this song is a story - a
    parable. And that Jesus still uses parables to reach us. I'm done now! Honest!
    Kayleigh



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 03, 2008
    Does he really sing "I know St. Peter WILL call my name" the second time? That's intereisting. I thought it was "won't"
    Anonymous



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 03, 2008
    it sounds like "won't" in the video on you tube, but some lyric sites do have it as "will"
    Anonymous



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    Coldplay and Viva la Vida
    November 03, 2008
    Good catch. As much as I would like to beleive that the lyrics are "I know St. Peter WILL call my name" in the second chorus, I think they are the same as in the first chorus: ""I know St. Peter WON'T call my name". The reason I would like to beleive that the lyrics are "I know St. Peter WILL call my name" is becuase I think this song is fundamentally about change. Call it revolution, if you will, but it is still a derivative of change. In fact, the lyrics of the enitre album seem to transition from confusion/lostness to discovery, then to revolution, and ultimately to peace/nirvana/heaven. Check out the lyrics of the last song, "The Escapist", a hidden track on the album. They are very short, but sweet and final: "And in the end/We lie awake/And we dream/We’ll make an escape" The imagery that comes to mind for me is a person that has declined from fame and fortune to a vast emptiness and loneliness, one that he now struggles to come to terms with on his deathbed. Maybe he was once a great leader, an entertainer, a wealthy businessman, a king...who knows. It seems that now, he has lost everything that once defined him as a person and "in the end" he 'lies awake" and "dreams he'll make an escape [from this Earth to a Heaven that will wash him of his sins and accept him with loving and open arms]. But I digress. We are not talking about the last song on the album, this thread is supposed to focus on Viva la Vida...

    Viva la Vida. I think that translates from Spanish to something like "Live the Life". Perhaps the message is to live life to it's fullest potential, and that 'full potential' is not necessarily defined by fame, fortune, conquests or power. Instead of defining ourselves as by what we have GOTTEN from life/others/God, we may realize 'in the end' that we wish our eulogy to list what we have GIVEN to life/others/God. The song has many biblical references as well:

    "I know Saint Peter won't call my name" - he beleives St. Peter will not allow him into heaven after he dies, becomes of the sins he committed in his life. Or, maybe he beleives he is untouchable and only he will decide when he is ready to be 'called to heaven'. Not sure.

    "Revolutionaries wait/For my head on a silver plate/Just a puppet on a lonely string/Oh who would ever wanna be king?"-This could be a reference to John the Baptist. His head was brought to King Herod on a Silver Platter. Even though Herod regretted this decision, saving his pride and promise to his temptress got in the way.

    In reference to revolution...

    "I discovered that my castles stand/Upon pillars of salt and pillars of sand." - during the FrenchRevolution, the entire rule of government was crumbling, becasue the foundations upon which it had been built (feudalism, aristocracy) were fundamentally flawed, unjust and unsustainable. And so it is with us: if we choose to build our lives with unstable ingredients, we will ultimately crumble into a pile of rubble.

    RA



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    The Gospel according to Barack Obama
    November 02, 2008
    John,
    So I was at your service today, for only the second time as we have just moved here and to Canada in fact and I was a bit curious about several things but mainly about the final , I guess "political statement". I won't say that I disagree with your choice for US president, I find many reasons in fact to support this candidate, but more the venue. As someone who has attended churches of all stripes while traveling around this great world I have often wrestled at what role the church should play in political advocacy, and more specifically the advocacy of a specific candidate. Having gone to some pretty conservative churches at times I was always quite annoyed when the pulpit was used to promote one party (I am referring to US parties at this point) as being on the right side of a pet issue within the church and hence the obvious choice. (This often ignored of course the obvious blind spots in terms of how we treat the poor or those who Christ was always asking us to remember and support). So while I appreciated the humorous presentation of your support I was left with the same uncomfortable feeling once the shoe was on the other foot or behind the other candidate as it were.

    So while I can't say I was offended or will really think about this much beyond Tuesday, I would be curious as to what your position is in regards to the advocacy of specific candidates from the pulpit. I must say my parents who were with me were incredibly offended for a moment, (on the basis that they strongly believe that the church should function outside of politics) until they remembered they were "just in Canada, visiting" and most people in the audience won't actually be voting so probably if some pastor in the US flashed an NDP tanktop no-one would blink...

    Anyway that was just a question I had. I really thought the message last week incorporating the poetry of Dillon was very thought provoking.

    Jason





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    The Gospel according to Barack Obama
    October 29, 2008
    I believe that Barak Obama is definitely the Man for this present era, he is the next President of USA. However, this is a time to keep our eyes on the Biblical Clock, our eyes must be focus of Jesus Christ is the one true Hero of all times. We must pray for those who are behind the iron bars of racism to be delivered from the prison of the rulers of the darkness of this world. Too long principalities and wickedness in high places have bound the earth with religious deception. Powers of darkness have ruled far too long now is the time for the saints of God to bring back Jesus Christ to this world with our total submission to His word.

    I declare Barak Obama will not be killed he was predestined to be the next President of the USA.

    Miriam Jack



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    World of Warcraft - Interview with a guild master
    October 26, 2008
    i play wow but i dace but i dont play as much i on;y play when i get really bored which is not offen because i am mostly doing something else..its not bad its just like any other game we have on xbox, playstation, and other things we do
    anime14kurama


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    Feist, Community and Creativity
    October 22, 2008
    I have to admit, I'm not a religious person, but that guy who sent the e-mail was reading my thoughts. Feist seems to me like one of the coolest persons on this planet, and through her I've discovered a lot of music I am now a fan of. Part of the attraction is her personality, she has such good energy, and she is just SO COOL. There's no other way to describe it. But not only her, her entire music community blows my mind... I love how they all collaborate with each other.
    lenluchis


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    God's take on the Sub-prime Mortgage Crisis
    October 19, 2008
    I AM AN AGNOSTIC and even JEUS was a SOCIALIST ,,,, free heavan FOR EVERYBODY and all the thoughts of the meak shall inherit the earth... ... THAT one of the many reasons for ehhich i dislike religion,,....
    REGWHY


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